16 February 2015

Der Spiegel: Interview with Greek Finance Minister Varoufakis

Greek Finance Minister Giannis Varoufakis has had little luck convincing his EU counterparts that Athens needs a debt cut. He speaks with SPIEGEL about why austerity has failed, how aid conditions are like waterboarding and where the bailout money went.

SPIEGEL: Mr. Varoufakis, you have referred to the European Union's bailout policy for Greece as "fiscal waterboarding." What exactly do you mean by that?

Varoufakis: For the past five years, Greece has been subjected to austerity measures that it cannot, under any circumstances, meet. Our country is literally being pushed under water. Just before we suffer an actual cardiac arrest, we are granted a momentary respite. Then we're pushed back under water, and the whole thing starts again. My aim is to end this permanent terror of asphyxiation.

SPIEGEL: Do you really think "waterboarding" is an appropriate metaphor for a rescue package?

Varoufakis: Well, it managed to get your attention, didn't it? So it worked.

SPIEGEL: You are comparing a rescue package with a form of torture the CIA used on prisoners. But Greece was showered with money, not water. 

Varoufakis: That money was used to bail out banks, especially banks in Germany and in France, to prevent them from taking losses. 

SPIEGEL: Greece would have become insolvent long ago if it hadn't received help. 

Varoufakis: The truth of the matter is that 90 percent of that money never arrived in Greece. 

SPIEGEL: Going back to your metaphor, who is the torturer that keeps pushing Greece under water?

Varoufakis: The troika of technocrats sent periodically to Greece to enforce an unenforceable program, technocrats representing the European Commission, the European Central Bank and the International Monetary Fund. I have nothing against these three institutions as such. However, they sent a cabal of technocrats to Greece to implement and monitor an entirely destructive program. 

SPIEGEL: You are talking about officials who were sent there to do their job.

Varoufakis: And fine people they were. But they were sent to implement a program that caused great damage. We know there were also some pretty good guys in the CIA who took part in the waterboarding interrogations against their will and ended up in awful moral dilemmas.

SPIEGEL: You have also drawn comparisons between the rescue policy and the mafia. In your blog, you responded to a by-lined article by German Finance Minister Wolfgang Schäuble by comparing the tactics of EU policymakers to those of "Chicago gangsters." Do you really think that is appropriate?

Varoufakis: I have never even remotely referred to Mr Schäuble as a gangster. I wrote that the so-called bailout packages were actually a masked threat on the lines of: "I'm going to make you an offer that you can't refuse." 

SPIEGEL: During the Greek election campaign, Germany was repeatedly portrayed as a power oppressing Greece. What would Germany's interest be in doing that?

Varoufakis: I always rejected, and still reject, the notion that Germany is oppressing Greece.

SPIEGEL: You say that the austerity measures advocated by Angela Merkel are destroying Greece.

Varoufakis: That is an entirely different matter. Your questions seem intent on creating the impression that Greece is trying to fuel strife in Europe. I cannot and will not accept such insinuations. In my position as finance minister, it is my duty to counteract any hard feelings harbored against Germany in Greece. I am arguing on an entirely objective level. I am saying that the austerity measures have done nothing and will do nothing to solve Greece's problems; in fact, they only make things worse. I would therefore like to see Germany participate in drawing up a kind of Marshall Plan to rebuild Greece and the rest of the periphery. I believe that a Merkel Plan for Europe would be a wonderful development. 

SPIEGEL: Your government is currently overturning reforms that were designed to help the Greek economy get back on its feet. You have reemployed laid-off public-sector workers and put privatizations on hold.

Varoufakis: No, you are misinformed on this point. We are overturning none of the therapeutic reforms. We are not stopping the privatization of our ports. We just want to make sure that our country's national assets are not sold off for peanuts.

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